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orchidman
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 48 Location: Oklahoma - KRCE
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:48 am Post subject: Carb Temp wires on an IO- engine |
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Rob,
When the engine is an injected engine, no Carb Temp probe is supplied.
However the wires are populated. Do you recommend cutting the wires at the shrink tubing at the back of the connector shell, or open the shell and remove the pins from the connector, or ????
Gary _________________ Gary Blankenbiller
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rshannon
Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 85 Location: Sequim WA USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: Some guys.... |
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Gary, There are several wires I'm not using either. In every case, however, I've left the pins in place, and brought the wires out far enough that I can get at them and splice into them in the future without becoming an extreme pretzel. For my panel, that usually means a length of at least 2 ft. For wires that may need to be FWF (carb temp, second ammeter, etc.) I run them out there in the thru-FW bundle anyway. In the case of the EFIS, I have even added pins & wires (backup power, etc.) only to terminate them for now. In my case, in the future, it will be easier to reach up for a stubbed off wire and splice into it -- than it would be to pull the plug, open the hood, install a new pin and wire, reseal the hood, and re-bundle (or "over" bundle) the existing collection.
To terminate all unused wires (whether from the EFIS or elsewhere) I cover the end with about 1-1/4" of tight fit heat shrink, with half of that extending loose off the wire end. After shrinking, I bend the loose, shrunk end back alongside the wire, and cover that bent back heat shrink with a short piece of the next size heat shrink. I leave about 1/8" of the second "binder" shrink tubing extending over the wire end, to act as a chafe "bumper" for the inner folded piece. The result is a well-insulated, relatively moisture proof termination.
After wires are terminated in this fashion, I fold them back out of the way but still in reach, try to make sure the stub end is pointed up so as not to collect condensation, make sure they're labeled, and secure them with silicon tape, tie wraps, etc. Finally, I make a note of the location of terminated "dead ends" in a spreadsheet to help find them in the future.
I've been rather religious about this termination technique, on the theory that you never know when that wire might be live, or touch a live wire, whether hot with high current, or just low level data signals. I even break out multi-conductor cable, like unused serial wires, and terminate each one of them individually. Overdone? Probably, but I'll have fewer suspects to worry about if there's a problem down the road.
More detail than you want or need, no doubt, but perhaps it will give somebody a useful idea of what to do... or not do!  _________________ Ron
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orchidman
Joined: 21 Sep 2007 Posts: 48 Location: Oklahoma - KRCE
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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Some guys.... |
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| rshannon wrote: | More detail than you want or need, no doubt, but perhaps it will give somebody a useful idea of what to do... or not do!  |
Great information. I am looking for ideas of how others have done this. I do like the way you are doing the termination.
My only concern will need to be answered by Rob, and that is with wires 'hanging out there' but still connected to the EFIS. Since they are 'hanging out there' they are an antenia that could pick up any extranious RF that might effect something. I don't expect a problem but wanted to ask. I don't like surprises with wiring.
Gary _________________ Gary Blankenbiller
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Noah
Joined: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 19 Location: Saunderstown, RI USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:54 am Post subject: Aux Temp |
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Am planning one or two auxiliary temp sensors firewall forward as fire sensors. Searched the archives and this is the closest thread.
1. Can the Carb temp be used on an IO engine for this purpose?
2. Goal is to alarm on sensor overtemp. Can this be user reconfigured in GUI to NOT be carb temp?
3. CHT/EGT harness drawing 53847WD R2 has pins 1-5 & 14-17 unused. Can these be used for aux temp inputs and alarmed similarly?
4. Where can I find a drawing of this connector's pinout on the back of the 4500 - its not in the manual as far as I can tell.
Thanks! _________________ Noah
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rshannon
Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 85 Location: Sequim WA USA
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:00 am Post subject: Re: Aux Temp |
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If I understand your questions correctly....
| Quote: | Am planning one or two auxiliary temp sensors firewall forward as fire sensors. Searched the archives and this is the closest thread.
1. Can the Carb temp be used on an IO engine for this purpose? |
Possibly, but I doubt if the supplied carb heat sensor would work at the high temps you'd want. What temperature do you want to signify "fire"? Then the question is whether the supplied carb temp sensor works to those limits. I don't know, but would think you'd be much better off using a true fire sensor (switch) designed to handle the high temps you want to trigger a fire alert.
| Quote: | | 2. Goal is to alarm on sensor overtemp. Can this be user reconfigured in GUI to NOT be carb temp? |
I don't believe so, but the aux inputs are fully and easily configurable. IMHO, unless you already have plans to use all the available aux inputs, you would be much better off using a proper fire temp sensor to trigger one of those -- which can be named whatever you want. When the sensor trips, it pulls the input low (connects it to ground) causing an alarm, etc. The circuitry, logic and configuration of those are easy. (Theoretically, you could even use two or more sensors wired in parallel on just one of the aux inputs. The first to get hot enough closes the circuit, pulling the aux input to ground, and the alert triggers.)
| Quote: | | 3. CHT/EGT harness drawing 53847WD R2 has pins 1-5 & 14-17 unused. Can these be used for aux temp inputs and alarmed similarly? |
No, unless you want to break open the 4500 and do a lot of custom wiring and programming yourself. There are no wires (much less programmable functionality) on the EFIS's chassis-side half of the connector for those pins either. They are unused on both sides of the connector.
| Quote: | | 4. Where can I find a drawing of this connector's pinout on the back of the 4500 - its not in the manual as far as I can tell. |
As implied by the previous answer, the pinout assignments on the chassis side of that connector are just the mirror image of the cable side. There are no additional wire connections inside the chassis that are not already represented on the cable side diagram of the connector. So there's no need for a separate chassis-side diagram. It would just be redundant.
Your best bet is to use one of the easily configurable aux inputs, switched by a proper fire temp sensor designed to switch at the high temp of (some kind of) actual fire. _________________ Ron
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